A big part of Spiral Jetty's appeal is the sheer audaciousness of it.

《螺旋形防波堤》的吸引力很大一部分在于它的大胆。

But there was something about Trump's audaciousness, his - the volume of scandals and controversial comments that basically made him sort of Teflon, right?

但特朗普的大胆、他的大量丑闻和有争议的言论基本上让他有点像特氟隆，对吧？