Mr Wang argues that whereas the first three waves revolutionised China and the fourth modernised it, the fifth wave is globalising the country.

王耀辉认为，前三波留学归国人员完成了中国革命，第四波实现了中国现代化，而第五波正在实现中国的国际化。

Martin, what do you think the next few years look like, both in terms of deglobalisation and the effort to continue globalising?

马丁，你认为未来几年会是什么样子，在去全球化和继续全球化的努力方面？