So Kaye, as much as we can try to get into the heads of the Issas and TDR, what's the goal of this financial engineering?

凯伊，我们尽可能地了解伊萨和 TDR 的头脑，这个金融工程的目标是什么？

But now, rates have risen to tackle inflation and when TDR and the Issas have to refinance their debt, it's gonna be a lot more expensive.

但是现在，利率已经上升以应对通货膨胀，当 TDR 和伊萨兄弟需要为他们的债务再融资时，成本会高得多。