Now 65% of IT spending is in the cloud, says Engelbert by way of example.

“现在有65％的IT支付都是在云端完成的，”恩格波特举例说。

And maybe I, maybe by way of example, I can talk about what I've done with my grandchildren.

也许我，也许作为例子， 我可以谈谈我对我的孙子们所做的事情。