And we haven't had any real lessons that we've been able to learn institutionally from 1962.

我们还没有从1962年开始从制度上学到任何真正的教训。

Lucy Askew: The systems in place institutionally have really colluded against the women being able to follow those artistic training and pathways.

Lucy Askew：制度上的制度确实勾结了女性能够接受那些艺术训练和途径。