But he never pretends that art can stay immune from ideology, high above the fray.

但是他从来都不认为艺术能与意识形态划清界线，能够高高的凌驾于争论之上作壁上观。

They're kind of above the fray.

他们有点凌驾于争端之上。

And you want to always stay above the fray in that.

你希望始终保持在争论之外。