STEPHEN DUBNER: Almost every night for about three or four years.

斯蒂芬·杜布纳：大约三四年来，几乎每天晚上。

STEPHEN DUBNER: It's a proxy for real life but better.

STEPHEN DUBNER：它是现实生活的代表，但更好。

STEPHEN DUBNER: You know, look, Franco Harris didn't fall in love with, you know, me.

史蒂芬·杜布纳：你看，弗兰科·哈里斯并没有爱上我。

[laughs] STEPHEN DUBNER: We had no money, a lot of kids.

罗伯特：（笑）斯蒂芬·杜布纳：我们没有钱，有很多孩子。

They did end up meeting a few times as Stephen wrote his book, but he says Franco was always really careful to keep him ... STEPHEN DUBNER: At—at arm's length, I would say.

JAD：在斯蒂芬写书时，他们确实见过几次面，但他说弗兰科总是非常小心地留住他… … 斯蒂芬·杜布纳：我想说的是，保持一定距离。

In fact, when it came to baseball ... STEPHEN DUBNER: No two people in the family, including my mother and father, there were 10 of us, no two people rooted for the same team.

事实上，说到棒球… … 斯蒂芬·杜布纳：家里没有两个人，包括我的母亲和父亲，我们有10个人，没有两个人支持同一支球队。

And it was around this point that Steven decided, " You know maybe that's what he was trying to tell me in the dream, and in real life too." STEPHEN DUBNER: That no one can save you but yourself.

JAD：正是在这一点上，史蒂文决定，“你知道，也许这就是他在梦中试图告诉我的，在现实生活中也是如此。”斯蒂芬·杜布纳：除了你自己，没有人能拯救你。