One day he, Hertzfeld, and Smith interviewed a candidate for software manager who, it became clear as soon as he walked in the room, was too uptight and conventional to manage the wizards in the fishbowl.

有一天，他和赫茨菲尔德、史密斯一起，面试一个应聘软件经理的人，这个人一走进来，身上的保守和刻板气质就显露无遗，很明显无法管理那群天才。