But I mean, you know, Gavin Williamson himself, he probably did more damage as education secretary than he was doing as minister without portfolio, even as unpleasant as those WhatsApp messages are.

但我的意思是，你知道，加文·威廉姆森本人，他作为教育部长所造成的伤害可能比他作为没有投资组合的部长所造成的伤害更大，甚至与那些 WhatsApp 消息一样令人不快。