But one of the presenters was not a scientist. Damon Jacobs is a marriage and family therapist in New York City.

但其中一位发言人并不是科学家，达蒙·雅各布斯是纽约市的一位婚姻与家庭治疗师。

And that outside voice can come in the form of a family therapist or even a personal therapist who can help you to unpack your individual issues.

外部声音可以以家庭治疗师甚至私人治疗师的形式出现，他们可以帮助您解决个人问题。

According to licensed marriage and family therapist Laura Rhodes-Levin, this is a key signifier of mental fatigue, since meeting the needs of others requires forethought, energy, and consideration.

根据持照婚姻和家庭治疗师劳拉·罗兹-莱文 (Laura Rhodes-Levin) 的说法， 这是精神疲劳的一个关键标志，因为满足他人的需求需要深谋远虑、精力充沛和深思熟虑。

He added that they have all been seeing a family therapist: There is much to be done, and some of the hurt and anger will take years to work through, but we are making progress.

他补充说，他们都在看一位家庭治疗师：“有很多事情要做，一些伤害和愤怒需要多年才能消除，但我们正在取得进展。”

And this grief has taken many forms. And to dive deeper into the world of understanding and managing grief, I'll be speaking first with Nina Westbrook, a marriage and family therapist who has supported clients through loss.

这种悲伤有多种形式。为了更深入地了解和管理悲伤的世界，我将首先与 Nina Westbrook 交谈，她是一位婚姻和家庭治疗师，曾在失去亲人时为客户提供支持。