And understanding the language that they're using, where they're coming from and so before you potentially design a counternarrative.

并了解他们使用的语言，他们来自哪里等等，然后再设计一个反叙事。

But the other thing that was really important for me was it was a counternarrative to the sophistication of tech.

但对我来说真正重要的另一件事是它是对技术复杂性的反叙事。